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thank you

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hi guys Ryan Sprague here from somewhere

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in the sky is coming to you on a lovely

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afternoon on the East Coast it's uh

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night time here in the UK so all my UK

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listeners and viewers thank you for

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joining us today and to our West Coast

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peeps I know it's uh mid-morning early

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afternoon so hello from all over the

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world and uh first of all thank you to

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all of you who have sent well wishes my

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way I'm getting over the uh the infamous

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you know what uh virus and uh things are

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going good and I couldn't think of a

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better person to bring on for my first

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guest after I almost uh succumbed to to

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such illness and that is the one and

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only James Fox he is going to be talking

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all about his new film moment of contact

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that premiered this week uh you can find

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it on all major streaming networks we'll

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give those to you in the show notes as

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well I had the amazing opportunity to

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see an advanced screener about a month

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or so ago and um it was really hard to

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keep my mouth shut about this one so I'm

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glad we have them here today I'm going

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to ask them some personal questions but

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more importantly we're going to ask your

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listener questions today for James as

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well a lot has come forward since the

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movie premiered we're going to talk

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about that too and yeah Super Chat and

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super stickers are open if you want to

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help out the show but without further

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Ado let's bring them in to talk all

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about moment of contact the one the only

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James Fox welcome back my man uh that's

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such an intro I really don't feel that

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course of course you've been so uh

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gracious with your time you literally

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just ended doing a Reddit AMA and hopped

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over here with us it's somewhere in the

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sky so I don't know how you do it I

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don't know how you're still standing

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gosh well it was it was it was lots of

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stuff prior to that I could show you

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yeah but but hey you know it's the time

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and I I want to obviously share my time

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as much as I can I mean this is the film

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coming I mean it's basically the result

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of 12 Years of research on my end and uh

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Marco layout my producing partner uh

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probably 15 to 17 on his end

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yeah it's it's crazy and you know we

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thought we thought the phenomenon was it

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you were gonna be done making films lo

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and behold you come out with this one

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and I I'm gonna tell you man it hit me

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just as hard we'll get into the more

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specifics but uh this is a very human

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story that you decided to tell this time

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you know phenomenon was such a uh

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Sweeping in the best of ways uh kind of

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overview of the entire phenomenon since

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the modern UFO history and and before

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um and very Point by Point fact by fact

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here you cover one specific case in

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Brazil so we really got to know the

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people involved and uh and exactly what

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happened there or allegedly happened

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um so I guess before we even you know

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talk about kind of what the film is can

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you give us kind of the the overview of

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of the vargenia case and how you got

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involved personally with this I know it

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goes back quite a ways yeah so I'll do

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how I got involved first okay and uh

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well once I'll make the distinction uh

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something that we put a tagline on uh

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you know moment of contact the VAR the

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the Roswell of Brazil

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uh the one advantage of this case is

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that it happened in 1996 and the vast

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majority of first-hand eyewitness

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accounts are people are still alive

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which makes it much easier to

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investigate obviously you still have the

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intimidation aspect of of of witness

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so they were reluctant to want to come

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forward and that took a lot of digging

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and a lot of work but um but I'll

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so I was making

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funny enough I'd heard about I'd heard

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about Rua probably maybe a year or two

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prior to that and I dismissed it very

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quickly and I was working on my first

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film UFOs 50 years of denial on the

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topic of UFOs

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I had a connection to Steven Spielberg

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by this woman named Janet yang

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and I thought I was just naive enough to

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think that you know Steven Spielberg was

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going to grant me an interview uh on the

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topic of UFOs because I'm doing a film

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on UFOs you know and of course he said

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no but he did tell Janet hey you should

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look into this case and ruin this

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alleged Landing case and of course I

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dismissed that immediately because my

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old position is like

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particularly in broad daylight and the

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whole world not know about it so I just

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years later I was working on out of the

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my co-producer Tim Coleman

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coincidentally got a credit in the film

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even though he didn't do anything

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because he's the one who introduced me

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to this case and he called me and goes I

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told you about that case in the late 90s

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and you laughed at me I said

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yeah I did laugh at you

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and I had a really hard time believing

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it you know and it took me a long time

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so anyway I heard about it late 90s I

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that fast then give it another moment's

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thought didn't ask a single question

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didn't read an it's not even an article

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fast forward probably 2010 or it might

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have been 20 2011. I'm going to Brazil

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for I know what I saw

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I did a film with uh Leslie Kane on a

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national Press Club event we did it in

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2007 where we flew in 14 military and

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government officials from seven

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countries and pushing for further

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government transparency on the topic I

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ended up making a movie about it it's

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called I know what I saw and I got

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invited to Brazil a place called benoibi

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to the South and um

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to give a present just give a

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presentation just to join this

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conference and I got a phone call from

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this guy Jeff saganski who's been

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incredibly uh influential behind the

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scenes you know uh just high up

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executive in the entertainment industry

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and he's just quietly been like pulling

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strings for me over the years and I've

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been so grateful and so I have a lot of

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respect for him and

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he goes oh you're going to Brazil you

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got to look into the Virginia case and I

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was like oh God not this case

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and and I thought to myself you mean the

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one where the aliens were walking around

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the town and broad daylight witness I

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was like sure Jeff I'll look into that

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click no intentions of looking into it I

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mean that was the last I thought of it

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jumped on the plane flew to Brazil and

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couple of witnesses second hand some

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researchers and that kind of I guess

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started to pique my interest a bit

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and then um since then I've been to

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Brazil four times roughly a month each

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time digging into the case had boots on

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the ground with Marco layout partnered

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with him and um I mean we are we we've

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stuck our teeth into this case like I

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like I said me 11 12 years Marco

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and he heard about it when he was a kid

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going to try to squeeze it into the

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phenomenon and I actually had a

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translator and I'd shot in Brazil a

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number of times and I edited edited this

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at the end of the day I was like

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this this case is a very complex case

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there are a lot of moving Parts a lot of

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different Witnesses a lot of pieces of

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I can't do this case Justice in in the

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phenomenon so I deleted the entire thing

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and I knew Marco was going to be

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devastated all the work we've done

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and I said Marco I know you're not gonna

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like to hear this but I cut the entire

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case out of the phenomenon he was like

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oh what do you mean you know we worked

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so hard I was like

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own documentary

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so that kind of got me back in the good

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graces with Marco again and and then um

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do you know what I mean yeah yeah

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absolutely and and and and and at the

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end of the day

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the fact that we waited

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there were additional eyewitnesses both

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civilian and Military that we managed to

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come forward that was unprecedented and

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really made the case found

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people that had vanished

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for 26 years for 18 years or 10 years

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people that we that Marco had been

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working on that knew they were part of

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that that just refused to come forward

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that would confirm for Marco

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was there I'm never coming forward kind

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of thing and Marco just kept working him

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bless his heart man Marco's a force to

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be reckoned with he deserves so much

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credit and all the other Brazilian UFO

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researchers prior to me they deserve

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they're in the credits of the movie it

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speaks for itself

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but I could have never done this film

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amazing yeah and you know that's kind of

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where I think this stands apart you know

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we're so used to hearing all these

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stories from the U.S you've got

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everything going on with the Pentagon

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the Tic Tacs the Roswell blah blah but

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then you have this extremely compelling

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case in Brazil which actually has a very

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rich history when it comes to UFOs that

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a lot of people don't know about and you

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do cover the history of UFOs in Brazil

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in a very uh efficient and eloquent way

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I was wondering James would you mind

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kind of running us through some of those

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other uh key moments in in Brazilian UFO

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history for us yes so I when I when I

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was with Jacques valet and Gary Nolan in

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that um what do you want to I call it a

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laboratory uh we

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uh Jacques Jacques had all these pieces

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of evidence in the lab with Gary Nolan

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in Silicon Valley and Jacques is walking

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around with the evidence like this right

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cradling is like what I said shock like

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seriously

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well you know like this whole time he

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said this stuff has a strange way of

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Disappearing and some of those bits of

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evidence was from ubatube in 1957 I

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believe from

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continuous Beach anyway it's in the film

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according to eyewitness testimony I

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guess something exploded there were

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there were there was shrapnel and bits

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of this stuff scattered on a beach and

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in the water and

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um bits of those were recovered and uh

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there turned out to be uh inexplicable I

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guess Isotopes or magnesium some form of

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you have to talk to a science about this

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magnesium that doesn't form naturally

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here on Earth apparently so I have not

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personally done the analysis but truly

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um inexplicable so far

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then we have

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1977 which went on for quite some time

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commonly referred to as

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uh operas on plateau Claris incident

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where you had uh testimony a joint

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participation with U.S and Brazilian Air

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Force tons of photographic evidence

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um you have objects apparently that were

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coming out of the water we haven't

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received those photographic evidence yet

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and also there were these strange

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objects that were shooting beams of

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light down at people quite scary

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and that went on for quite some time a

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year two years not sure but a long time

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then you have UFOs 1986 over Sao Paulo

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Brazil you had like a dozen UFOs and

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jets were scrambled to intercept that

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were picked up on radar and Visually

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seen and that was over Sao Paulo and you

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had a press conference where the

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Brazilian Air Force came forward and

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said these things were real their their

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pilots talked about it openly they

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released cockpit recordings

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um very very compelling and then 10

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years later you get this account of a

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UFO crash and uh a week later in the

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town of Virginia roughly 12 to 15 miles

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away reports both from civilian and

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Military and Fire Department of these

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strange beings and they were captured

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and then apparently and then ultimately

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the Americans involvement right well

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let's let's kind of run through the case

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in terms of some of the people that you

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interviewed uh again the fact that you

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were able to track down this many people

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is just a testament to you to your

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Brazilian researchers and in everyone it

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was amazing you were able to find these

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people 25 30 years later

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um which which is amazing and one of

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those people was Carlos de Souza this

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was one of the people who actually saw

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the craft as it was allegedly crashing

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probably one of the most uh powerful and

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emotional moments in the film for me

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personally seeing this guy relive it and

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remembering finally where the location

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was

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um we won't go into too much detail on

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that but it was very powerful man so can

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you tell us a little about Carlos and uh

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yeah his whole involvement with all of

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this so

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you had Witnesses in the town of

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Virginia just on the outskirts of

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Virginia

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um orolina

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and yuriko deflit de fretas two farmers

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married couple they're middle of the

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night their animals are going bonkers

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trying to figure out what's going on

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they look out the window there's this

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cigar-shaped object about the size of a

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school bus big school bus with a gash in

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the side of it and they said there was a

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weird white Vapor coming out the

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backside of it and it was just kind of

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all over the place moving very slowly

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and they kept expecting it to crash it

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looked like it was going to crash they

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washed it for about 45 minutes

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Carlos de Souza is a

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history professor in Sao Paulo

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he was traveling

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from Sao Paulo to the state of Minnesota

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on the 13 well he left on the evening of

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the 12th I was driving late into the

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night and then right around five o'clock

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in the morning at dusk

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he sees he's on the freeway he's just I

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don't know 15 20 miles outside of

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Virginia he's in the state of Minnesota

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he's going to meet with some fellow

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ultralight Pilots they're going to go

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fly ultralights together and that's one

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of the reasons why he remembers the date

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so well and he sees this object in the

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sky not very high off the freeway that

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looked like it was in trouble

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never once did he think extraterrestrial

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UFO he didn't know maybe it was some

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kind of weird you know experiment or

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some secret military thing he didn't

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know

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but he saw it like it was going down and

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and and and it went down and he didn't

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actually see it hit the ground but he

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saw it where it was unequivocally going

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to hit the ground I mean it went down

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and it was he didn't see the actual

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impact we saw so he turned off the

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freeway he drove up to this farm called

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myolini Farm

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and he comes Upon A debris field at

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least the size of a football field if

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not larger of scattered metallic metal

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debris

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and in a large section of the

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cigar-shaped object metallic

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still intact

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there's nobody there

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he thinks he's thinking God whoever was

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flying that thing they're in trouble

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they're probably people that are hurt

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what can I do to come help he jumps out

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of his car he picks up one of these

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pieces of metal that was scattered

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everywhere he said it was about

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maybe this this big and he said he could

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crumple it in his hands he said it was

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so light that you could barely feel it

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in your hands and he crumpled it up and

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when he released it it regained its form

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um which was fascinating and just as

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this was happening and he said the smell

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was almost buckled his knees of ammonia

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and sulfur he grabbed his shirt and he

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held his shirt over his mouth like this

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and he was trying to bring and his eyes

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were watering he said it was the

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strongest thing he'd ever smelled in his

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life just as this was happening military

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trucks from the opposite direction that

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he had driven into myelini Farm came

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from the military base as a

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and um

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they pointed rifles at him ordered him

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to leave

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uh and I'm just giving you the truncated

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version he freaked out he never thought

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again he wasn't thinking like extra you

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know he just he didn't know what was

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going on he didn't have time to process

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he gets in the car he takes off he gets

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a few miles down the road he's just he's

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trembling he's trying to process what

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happened he goes to this Cafe gas

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station gets out and he has a coffee

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he's getting some gas

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he comes out of the coffee shop and then

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this unmarked vehicle like a black dark

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blue or black opala he calls it American

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vehicle pulls into the with two men in

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suits no no license plates and um

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basically uh threaten them you didn't

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see anything you know your name is

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Carlos vasaza you live here this is your

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wife's name your children you know talk

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about what you saw things are going to

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get really weird and that's kind of what

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he gave one statement

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on camera a couple months later to a guy

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named claudiocovo who's a Brazilian UFO

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researcher as well as an engineer and he

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gave one on camera statement then he

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vanished for 26 years

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excuse me so

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um his his

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I remember telling we we had a small

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clip of Carlos's

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um

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testimony from 1996 it was grainy and

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deteriorated and just unusable quite

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honestly the audio is diabolical

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and fortunately with the help of fellow

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Brazilian UFO researchers uh his

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daughter Cynthia kovo we were able to

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open up his archives and get access to

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that original interview that he'd done

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26 years later Marco and some other

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Brazilian researchers because I said

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DeMarco we don't have a story if we

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don't have Carlos we've got to find this

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guy so they found him and they

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ultimately convinced him to come forward

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for the first time in 26 years and it's

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all on camera with us yeah very very

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powerful moment for sure uh what one of

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the other people that you met which was

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very surprising was the mayor of arhena

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like talk about official Dome with this

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case tell us what that was like couldn't

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believe it if we walk up I mean I'm

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going

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Marco you're saying that the the current

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mayor mayor Verge the current guy not

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retired the current guy we're going to

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go into the mayor's office you know with

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police and everything around yes he's

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gonna you know

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and I didn't know what he was going to

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say

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but to have

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the mayor of Virginia confirmed the case

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that he believes it happened and that

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there was a cover-up uh was a first time

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as far as I know first time in history

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yeah

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just to hear him say yes we take this

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very seriously something happened the

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military was involved uh and it's become

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such a culture a big part of the culture

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in farhinia I mean look at the Town Hall

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look at these saucer-shaped buildings it

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reminds me so much of like the

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McDonald's in Roswell right crazy

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remember in Roswell they've got these

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signs at hotels that say come crash with

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us yeah yeah

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it's so silly it's pretty cool it's

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pretty cool

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um well I mean gosh the chat is going

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nuts here everyone wants to ask you

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about the photos the videos we'll get

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there guys we will get there

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um we've got a couple super chats here

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so thank you guys really appreciate that

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love the film James uh who has the video

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we'll get there we'll get there

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um let's talk about uh because I do want

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to get these listener questions James um

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kind of the next pivotal part of the

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film at least one me and that was the

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the three women uh that becomes sort of

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iconic with this case as witnesses to

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not the craft but one again one of the

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creatures uh we must stress apparently

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there's more than one creature uh one

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dead one alive and supposedly they saw

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the alive one so would you mind telling

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us a little about these three women and

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what it was like speaking to them going

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from left to right at the top you've got

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uh valkyria she was 14 at the time this

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is January 20th 1996 roughly three

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excuse me three to three Thirty in the

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afternoon in the middle you've got

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liliani and you've got uh and and

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liliani and valkyria

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the one in the middle and one on the

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left they're sisters 14 and 16 14 and 16

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and then you've got Katya on the far

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right she's 21 years old at the time of

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the incident

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they were

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00:22:37,789 --> 00:22:34,500
taking a shortcut through a little field

550
00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:37,799
there was a cinder block wall

551
00:22:40,909 --> 00:22:39,480
um with some graffiti on it they were

552
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:40,919
noticing walking through the kind of

553
00:22:46,610 --> 00:22:44,640
Tall Grass the picture below is the

554
00:22:49,010 --> 00:22:46,620
exact location where this incident took

555
00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:49,020
place 26 years prior in fact the picture

556
00:22:53,810 --> 00:22:50,760
above is probably pretty close to it too

557
00:22:55,549 --> 00:22:53,820
and uh they see what they initially were

558
00:22:57,230 --> 00:22:55,559
looking at this thing that was kind of

559
00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:57,240
Frozen it was in this

560
00:23:00,409 --> 00:22:58,980
position I don't know if you can see me

561
00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:00,419
in the field well well there you go you

562
00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:02,220
can see the the the drawing right there

563
00:23:06,289 --> 00:23:03,780
it's sitting against the cinder block

564
00:23:09,169 --> 00:23:06,299
wall just like that except it's not

565
00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:09,179
looking at them it's looking down

566
00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:12,360
and it wasn't moving they thought what

567
00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:14,820
on Earth are we looking at

568
00:23:21,310 --> 00:23:17,820
and one of the girls let out a kind of

569
00:23:24,350 --> 00:23:21,320
like a like Yelp like and at which point

570
00:23:25,490 --> 00:23:24,360
the creature the bean whatever you want

571
00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:25,500
to call it

572
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,960
turns its head and makes direct eye

573
00:23:34,250 --> 00:23:30,080
contact with the girls

574
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,260
liliani grabs her sister valkyria who's

575
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,200
14. and Yanks her out of there and they

576
00:23:43,549 --> 00:23:39,840
run okay this is after a brief moment of

577
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:43,559
eye contact Katya who's 21 remains

578
00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:46,260
Frozen between 8 and 10 feet away from

579
00:23:51,890 --> 00:23:49,799
this being locked eyes on it okay

580
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:51,900
the two other girls and sisters run away

581
00:23:58,430 --> 00:23:55,919
they get about 60 to 100 years sorry 200

582
00:24:01,330 --> 00:23:58,440
feet away realize that they'd let Katya

583
00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:01,340
behind so liliani turns back who's 16

584
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:04,740
and runs and grabs Katya

585
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,159
now when I was speaking to the girls

586
00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:11,039
in the field at the exact location where

587
00:24:14,510 --> 00:24:12,600
this encounter occurred

588
00:24:17,149 --> 00:24:14,520
I said

589
00:24:19,730 --> 00:24:17,159
when you locked eyes on this Bean during

590
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,740
that moment of contact

591
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:21,360
and then I thought to myself now wait a

592
00:24:24,430 --> 00:24:22,320
minute

593
00:24:27,649 --> 00:24:24,440
that's a good title

594
00:24:30,590 --> 00:24:27,659
put me there I want to be there I want

595
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:30,600
to I want you to put me in that place

596
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:34,500
what did you feel what did you see what

597
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,320
was there any communication

598
00:24:41,210 --> 00:24:39,120
I want to be there and that's when she

599
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:41,220
said it was telling me that it was

600
00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:43,980
scared it was feeble weak scared and it

601
00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:47,710
and then

602
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,100
liliani grabbed her by the arm and

603
00:24:57,169 --> 00:24:52,080
yanked Katya out of there and they ran

604
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,179
off and they went home to the the mother

605
00:25:02,750 --> 00:24:59,840
of the Two Sisters

606
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:02,760
and uh told her we think we saw the

607
00:25:07,730 --> 00:25:03,600
devil

608
00:25:10,010 --> 00:25:07,740
they never said E.T never said alien is

609
00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:10,020
we think we saw the devil

610
00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:12,600
and so the mother is like let's go back

611
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,820
and the two sisters are like we are not

612
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:16,320
going back and Katya didn't want to go

613
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,360
back either she ultimately convinced

614
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,400
Katya to going back to they jumped in

615
00:25:24,529 --> 00:25:21,840
this truck and they drove back to the

616
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,539
location the stench was there

617
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:26,400
there were Footprints of this creature

618
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,900
which she describes in great detail and

619
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:30,000
even draws for us but the creature was

620
00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:31,980
gone

621
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,400
ah man yeah it's quite quite a story

622
00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:37,200
they have to tell I love this idea too

623
00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:40,140
of it not being alien you know it really

624
00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:42,659
is like the lens in which you view the

625
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,340
experience if you're religious maybe you

626
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:46,080
would look at it as demonic especially

627
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:49,500
with those red eyes which is very unique

628
00:25:54,409 --> 00:25:51,480
in these cases you know otherwise it

629
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,419
looks kind of like a gray except it's a

630
00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:56,880
brownish color but those those deep red

631
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:58,980
eyes just really really catch you off

632
00:26:03,529 --> 00:25:59,820
guard

633
00:26:06,049 --> 00:26:03,539
um so yeah I've never heard an account

634
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,059
um of of anything like it you know

635
00:26:09,409 --> 00:26:07,919
before and especially like you think

636
00:26:13,549 --> 00:26:09,419
about

637
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,559
you know and I've been getting I knew

638
00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:15,360
that my credibility would take a hit and

639
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,640
I get it like I I totally understand

640
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:19,919
people's reluctance I I'm not out here

641
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:22,440
trying to you know convince anyone of

642
00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:23,279
something

643
00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:26,279
I I totally get it but I'm hearing

644
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:27,900
people like oh you're saying it's an

645
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,860
alien and how do you know it's

646
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:30,480
extraterrestrial I'm like did I say that

647
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:34,020
I've not said that all I'm doing is

648
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:36,900
providing a platform

649
00:26:43,789 --> 00:26:39,900
where the witnesses

650
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:43,799
can share what he or she saw that's it

651
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:46,799
you can draw your own conclusions I

652
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:50,940
wasn't there I don't know what it was I

653
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,480
can conclude maybe it was in a

654
00:27:00,169 --> 00:26:56,880
spacecraft and

655
00:27:01,789 --> 00:27:00,179
you know put drop connect the dots

656
00:27:03,470 --> 00:27:01,799
but we're not making any conclusions

657
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:03,480
here we're not making any definitive

658
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:06,059
statements any conclusions it appears to

659
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:10,320
be consistent with a UFO crash and beans

660
00:27:15,649 --> 00:27:11,940
recovered that's what appears to have

661
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:15,659
happened but until we have further

662
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,380
um

663
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:18,240
and and a capture I'm convinced that

664
00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:19,380
something got captured there was

665
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:21,900
something out there that was captured in

666
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,700
fact the military witnessed military X

667
00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:24,960
called it

668
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:26,760
it was a it was explained to him that it

669
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:29,880
was super Supernatural right in

670
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,080
Supernatural

671
00:27:36,289 --> 00:27:33,120
I don't know why that always stuck in my

672
00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:36,299
head Supernatural he didn't say E.T he

673
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:38,220
didn't call it a creature he just called

674
00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:40,200
it Supernatural

675
00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:43,140
yep that gave me shivers military X

676
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:45,419
let's go there James

677
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:47,880
um a lot of images here this was the

678
00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:50,640
other big part of the movie

679
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:52,620
um a really interesting Journey you guys

680
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:56,000
took uh and this is with uh Marco

681
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:00,720
chorizi the kind of tragic story in this

682
00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:03,840
entire Affair an officer who supposedly

683
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:07,620
died from this event yeah well he

684
00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:10,860
definitely died and yeah most definitely

685
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:13,080
died from this event so

686
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,580
um yeah can you kind of run us through

687
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:16,559
the people we're looking at here you see

688
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:18,120
the military man with the hat with the

689
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:19,440
with the cat with the uh what do you

690
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:23,340
call the helmet his name is Marco trees

691
00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:27,360
he and another gentleman right around

692
00:28:31,549 --> 00:28:30,059
five o'clock P.M which is roughly two

693
00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:31,559
hours could have been 5 30 but it's

694
00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:34,500
right around 5 5 30 p.m the same day

695
00:28:39,289 --> 00:28:37,140
January 20th

696
00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:39,299
two or three blocks away from where the

697
00:28:42,529 --> 00:28:40,140
girls

698
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,539
stated that they encountered this this

699
00:28:47,870 --> 00:28:45,600
strange creature okay he's on patrol

700
00:28:49,789 --> 00:28:47,880
with a guy named Eric Lopes

701
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:49,799
who's also a military officer police

702
00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:53,039
officer and Marco treasi Eric Lopes is

703
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,840
behind the wheel Marco's in the

704
00:28:59,390 --> 00:28:57,120
passenger seat they're on the lookout

705
00:29:01,789 --> 00:28:59,400
for something unusual that's all they

706
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,799
knew not that a UFO crashed not that

707
00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:02,880
there's an alien running around

708
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,100
something unusual

709
00:29:08,029 --> 00:29:06,960
they see something come across the front

710
00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:08,039
of their car

711
00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:10,140
Eric Lopez slams the brakes on Marco

712
00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:12,539
jumps out grabs his thing with his bare

713
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:14,520
hands didn't put up much of a fight it

714
00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:15,960
was weak

715
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:18,179
puts it on his lap in the back seat and

716
00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:20,100
off they go they initially went to a

717
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,960
clinic apparently the doctor came out

718
00:29:25,130 --> 00:29:23,279
and said I don't know what the heck that

719
00:29:26,930 --> 00:29:25,140
thing is get it out of here and then

720
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:26,940
they went to a regional hospital and

721
00:29:31,090 --> 00:29:29,760
that's where they dropped it off and uh

722
00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:31,100
Marco

723
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,140
apparently it had this oily stuff all

724
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,960
over his body and he got rubbing alcohol

725
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,640
and apparently he was rubbing this

726
00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:40,559
rubbing alcohol trying to clean himself

727
00:29:45,649 --> 00:29:44,220
of this this oily sticky smell that was

728
00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:45,659
on him

729
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:47,340
he got a little gash

730
00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:50,640
uh speculated but probably the case that

731
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:52,020
he got it when he captured this thing

732
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:53,820
just a little just a little cut

733
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:56,640
and um and he got an infection

734
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:01,789
the doctor

735
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:04,320
did everything he could to save him Dr

736
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,940
Cesario that we interviewed on camera

737
00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:07,679
you see in the uh with the white shirt

738
00:30:12,889 --> 00:30:10,200
next to him on the top right

739
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:12,899
and um and he died

740
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:15,000
he said he had a complete immune system

741
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:16,080
failure

742
00:30:19,610 --> 00:30:17,820
he threw the kitchen sink at him nothing

743
00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:19,620
was responding he'd never seen anything

744
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,940
like it 25 years prior or 26 years after

745
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:25,200
and

746
00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:26,580
um you know we had the death certificate

747
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,860
of Marco trees we did an interview with

748
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,720
the Doctor Who confirms that he felt

749
00:30:35,930 --> 00:30:33,200
that that he really was involved he did

750
00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:35,940
encounter this thing and that he

751
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:38,100
revealed certain aspects of the story

752
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:40,140
because in an effort to have

753
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:41,580
transparency with the doctor who's

754
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:43,140
trying to save his life he was telling

755
00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:45,659
him the truth and Dr Cesario talks a

756
00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:47,399
little bit about that on camera

757
00:30:52,669 --> 00:30:50,039
but then we interview Marco's sister

758
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:52,679
who's Marta Tavares Who's down holding

759
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:54,120
the photograph of her

760
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:56,700
her brother and the death certificate

761
00:31:02,210 --> 00:30:58,980
and um

762
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:02,220
and she explained to us

763
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:04,260
she asked her brother while he was lying

764
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:07,740
in the hospital not like a day or so

765
00:31:12,409 --> 00:31:11,039
away from dying is this story true did

766
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,419
you really grab this extraterrestrial

767
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:15,120
thing or being and he said to her

768
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:17,100
something to the order of this is going

769
00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:18,600
to be one of the biggest stories and

770
00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:19,799
there's lots more that's going to come

771
00:31:24,430 --> 00:31:20,820
out

772
00:31:28,370 --> 00:31:24,440
and then he died and then

773
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,380
Marta's Marco Teresa's mother also

774
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:30,960
Martin tomorrow's mother had a visit

775
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:33,840
according to her daughter on camera from

776
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:36,120
the military Brazilian military who said

777
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,100
that confirmed that it did happen and

778
00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:40,320
then if the truth came out society would

779
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:42,299
collapse and that's the justification

780
00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:43,980
that they gave the mother of the

781
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:50,510
very a cautionary Tale in so many

782
00:31:56,810 --> 00:31:54,120
respects too I mean it's crazy uh what

783
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,820
about military x i I know this is you

784
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,039
know we won't give away too much it is a

785
00:32:03,409 --> 00:32:01,200
very compelling part of the film as well

786
00:32:04,909 --> 00:32:03,419
but uh who was this and how was he

787
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:04,919
involved if you don't mind me asking

788
00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:08,000
yeah so he'd been a Target

789
00:32:17,389 --> 00:32:14,149
let's see what I can reveal here I'm

790
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:18,950
um

791
00:32:30,110 --> 00:32:27,169
who worked with

792
00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:30,120
Brazilian UFO researchers

793
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,179
and ultimately gave an on-camera

794
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,000
statement right after the incident

795
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:38,820
that was never to be released

796
00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:41,399
it was an insurance policy that if

797
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:42,899
anything happened

798
00:32:48,669 --> 00:32:46,200
to those Witnesses those taped evidence

799
00:32:52,909 --> 00:32:48,679
would be released to the General Public

800
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,919
and those and and I had seen those I'd

801
00:32:56,269 --> 00:32:54,720
seen that taped evidence and I

802
00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:56,279
desperately was trying to get my hand I

803
00:33:00,830 --> 00:32:58,860
understood why it wasn't to be released

804
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:00,840
and it was very frustrating as a

805
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:03,600
researcher myself and a filmmaker that

806
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:05,220
here I have this stuff A friend of mine

807
00:33:08,269 --> 00:33:07,080
has it in his possession and I can't use

808
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:08,279
it

809
00:33:15,889 --> 00:33:13,860
person had been had been on our uh on

810
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:15,899
our radar for some time but it was

811
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:19,440
impossible to reach and when Marco Leal

812
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:21,899
uh finally did reach him oh my God it's

813
00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:23,220
like the scene out of a movie how the

814
00:33:27,049 --> 00:33:24,840
whole thing went down he was paranoid

815
00:33:29,389 --> 00:33:27,059
that that Marco was Intelligence coming

816
00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:29,399
after him to find out what he you know

817
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:32,100
and um long story short I think it took

818
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:34,260
eight months nine months ten months just

819
00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:36,360
to get a meeting with him they did they

820
00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:39,059
met and then for some and he kept saying

821
00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:41,640
when when we came to Brazil Marco Leo

822
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:43,140
kept reaching out to him and he kept

823
00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:44,820
saying no I'm never coming forward no

824
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:46,380
I'm not going to happen all the money in

825
00:33:53,149 --> 00:33:49,679
the world not gonna happen no and then

826
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:53,159
I said let's just get maybe we can just

827
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,039
see if we can go meet with him and to

828
00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:58,799
our surprise he agreed to that and we we

829
00:34:02,930 --> 00:34:01,260
met at one location then he got in our

830
00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:02,940
car and took us to another location and

831
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,159
we came out he had somebody with him and

832
00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:07,679
we talked just about life in general

833
00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:09,899
talked a little bit about my father my

834
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:11,879
career a little bit and then we talked

835
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,460
very briefly about the incident and then

836
00:34:18,589 --> 00:34:16,320
that was it didn't agree to go on camera

837
00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:18,599
none of that and then a couple days

838
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:21,419
later we kept kind of following up and

839
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:23,639
he started to think about it

840
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:26,639
and it was like maybe maybe maybe maybe

841
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,740
I was having some troubles anyway at

842
00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:30,240
home and

843
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:33,179
I think we probably had a maybe a

844
00:34:37,970 --> 00:34:35,639
two-hour window where he was like okay

845
00:34:39,649 --> 00:34:37,980
I'll do this you know I was terrified

846
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:39,659
that you know that window is going to

847
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:41,700
close and they're going to get cold feet

848
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:43,740
but we took our chances we drove four

849
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,919
hours and and went and

850
00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:49,200
it was all just totally up in the I mean

851
00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:50,760
the whole thing was so precarious you

852
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:51,960
know it's like we're going up there we

853
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,700
didn't have a meeting place he was like

854
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:55,200
I'm not going to meet you in any public

855
00:34:59,329 --> 00:34:57,180
place at all if I'm seen with any

856
00:35:02,270 --> 00:34:59,339
Americans or any cameras I'm oh my life

857
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:02,280
is over like he was so paranoid about it

858
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:04,080
so I was like well gosh why don't we

859
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,460
just get a hotel room and then he can

860
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:07,440
just walk into the hotel room We snuck

861
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,720
in all of our gear to the hotel room you

862
00:35:12,589 --> 00:35:11,280
know and at any moment thinking that if

863
00:35:14,089 --> 00:35:12,599
he arrived and we were trying to take

864
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,099
our gear in that we had all hidden with

865
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:16,079
blankets and towels and we're trying to

866
00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:18,660
get our gear in and we go up to the

867
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,280
we go up to the guy at the hotel it's

868
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:22,079
like two o'clock in the afternoon and

869
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,640
he's like yeah can I help you and we're

870
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:25,440
like yeah you got a hotel room he's like

871
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,880
yeah sure I got this room I got that

872
00:35:30,589 --> 00:35:28,560
room we'll take it well don't you want

873
00:35:33,609 --> 00:35:30,599
another price no we'll take it how about

874
00:35:36,109 --> 00:35:33,619
this high no we'll take it right now

875
00:35:38,410 --> 00:35:36,119
like just and he was looking at us like

876
00:35:40,190 --> 00:35:38,420
okay

877
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,200
interesting what what do you got under

878
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:42,240
those towels there she's just like

879
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:44,220
unloading the cars with all this Gear

880
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,900
with like towels over the gear and

881
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:48,240
pillows oh no walking into the place I

882
00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:49,440
think I'm not telling you I'm not

883
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:50,820
kidding that guy was looking at us like

884
00:35:55,069 --> 00:35:52,740
what the hell are they doing in there

885
00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:55,079
honestly in the back of my mind I was

886
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,099
thinking he probably thought we were

887
00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:58,320
going to shoot a porno in there I was

888
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:01,320
hey you said it I wasn't gonna say I

889
00:36:05,089 --> 00:36:03,300
just I just the look on the guy's face

890
00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:05,099
you know I was like we don't have time

891
00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:06,839
to talk I had minutes before this other

892
00:36:10,609 --> 00:36:08,700
guy was his witness going to show up and

893
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:10,619
if he saw us out there with all the gear

894
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,760
I know he was going to turn around and

895
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:13,680
leave so we're waiting to get all the

896
00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:15,240
stuff in there and then then I'm hearing

897
00:36:20,510 --> 00:36:18,540
you know Dave my DP and he's going

898
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:20,520
James these you know these cameras are

899
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,380
the lenses are too long we can't this

900
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:24,240
room isn't big enough like I saw I just

901
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:27,720
said Dave I said work it out there just

902
00:36:34,490 --> 00:36:30,560
figure it out figure it out

903
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:34,500
now you know and then the guy comes and

904
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:36,599
uh and it was the most incredible

905
00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:38,940
experience of my life

906
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:42,119
yeah very very powerful how many people

907
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:43,680
do you know

908
00:36:50,349 --> 00:36:46,380
that allegedly

909
00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:50,359
drove what could be an alien around

910
00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:52,619
I mean because I don't know

911
00:36:59,150 --> 00:36:57,180
I I can't name one no it's crazy and I I

912
00:37:01,550 --> 00:36:59,160
mean look you know that's what I I

913
00:37:02,990 --> 00:37:01,560
believe that happened can I prove it no

914
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,000
am I going to sit there and scream from

915
00:37:07,450 --> 00:37:04,800
the hilltops that's what happened no of

916
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,460
course not but I believe

917
00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:10,079
absolutely believe his testimony in fact

918
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:12,420
I believe I believe everyone's testimony

919
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:15,900
and not one person came to us we dugged

920
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:18,720
uh you know again I can't give enough

921
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,180
praise to the fellow Brazilian UFO

922
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:23,520
research researchers particularly Marco

923
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,640
Leal my my uh my producing partner

924
00:37:30,589 --> 00:37:28,079
um this this film wouldn't exist without

925
00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:30,599
their uh their you know decades-long

926
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:31,619
efforts

927
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:35,520
and um and again no Witnesses came to us

928
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:39,720
it was a such a challenge every one of

929
00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:42,420
them years

930
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:45,900
yeah yeah I know it's it's crazy

931
00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:48,180
um well and talk about like seeking

932
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:50,700
people out we won't give away this is

933
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:52,380
probably the most dramatic part of the

934
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:53,460
film

935
00:38:00,410 --> 00:37:56,640
um but you didn't you ran into some some

936
00:38:01,450 --> 00:38:00,420
actually uh some trouble in in trying to

937
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:01,460
interview one of these people

938
00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:04,260
life-threatening if I may say so um

939
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,880
anything you want to share on that James

940
00:38:09,730 --> 00:38:07,680
if not if you want to leave it to the

941
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:09,740
viewers I get it but I have no problems

942
00:38:15,650 --> 00:38:13,040
what I can share is

943
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:15,660
Marta Tavares

944
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:17,760
seen here down the middle with holding

945
00:38:20,829 --> 00:38:19,140
up the two photographs the one death

946
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:20,839
certificate and her brother

947
00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:23,820
she kept saying to me even back in two

948
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,060
thousand fourteen

949
00:38:31,069 --> 00:38:28,560
air gloves

950
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:31,079
Eric Lopes Eric Lopes Eric Lopes Eric

951
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,300
Lopes he's the only living survivor of

952
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,280
the cat of the second capture with my

953
00:38:38,329 --> 00:38:36,720
brother in the car

954
00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:38,339
the family couldn't get a statement from

955
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:40,440
him all the researchers couldn't get a

956
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:41,940
statement from him he had gone

957
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:48,420
completely dark for 26 years he was the

958
00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:50,700
last living person

959
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,339
the only living person that was witness

960
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:55,440
to the alleged second capture with Marco

961
00:39:03,109 --> 00:38:59,760
treasi which ultimately led to his death

962
00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:03,119
I kept asking since 2013 like why can't

963
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:06,119
anybody find this guy like where is he

964
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:09,540
so we asked the mayor

965
00:39:14,930 --> 00:39:13,320
this guy's got access he's got power hey

966
00:39:16,849 --> 00:39:14,940
he said if there's anything I can do to

967
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:16,859
help you out let me know I said yeah can

968
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:19,260
you find this guy Eric Lopes a couple

969
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:22,680
days later he found him so I met any the

970
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,300
the mayor didn't come but the mayor

971
00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:26,400
connected us with

972
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,680
he was a former police sergeant

973
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:30,720
and the police Sergeant's son who's now

974
00:39:35,089 --> 00:39:33,599
a lawyer used to be a politician in

975
00:39:36,890 --> 00:39:35,099
Virginia when we were standing on the

976
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,900
down in the Town Square or just outside

977
00:39:40,849 --> 00:39:38,880
the Town Square cars were driving by

978
00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:40,859
waving beeping honking the guy was

979
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:44,940
famous everywhere in uh Virginia Home

980
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:45,900
Alone

981
00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:50,460
and uh they met with us gave us a brief

982
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:52,260
interview on camera and they said we

983
00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:54,060
will escort you

984
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:56,579
to Eric Lopez house

985
00:40:01,609 --> 00:40:00,000
from there you guys take it over

986
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:01,619
getting in our cars we're all ready to

987
00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:02,700
go we're going to follow this black

988
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,900
Mercedes

989
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:06,480
and kind of the last minute I don't know

990
00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:07,800
I always listen to this little voice in

991
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:09,900
my head you know it's like you know what

992
00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:12,420
you better stop wait a minute just hit

993
00:40:15,470 --> 00:40:13,500
pause

994
00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:15,480
jump out with the translator and tell

995
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,599
homolo ask homo would he mind actually

996
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,400
not just dropping us off at this guy's

997
00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:21,920
house but actually escorting out

998
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:24,839
escorting us up to his front door

999
00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:27,420
at which point he said yeah I was

1000
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,380
literally did it in the middle of the

1001
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:30,000
road like I said we were just about to

1002
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,680
leave and I jumped out and I asked him

1003
00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:33,839
and he said yes he would thank God he

1004
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,300
did I honestly believe

1005
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:38,160
that there's a high probability that I

1006
00:40:42,250 --> 00:40:39,300
probably would have been shot just

1007
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:42,260
walking up there by myself without him

1008
00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:44,579
because he was threatening to shoot

1009
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:47,640
everybody multiple times and the the

1010
00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:50,700
crazy part was is that nobody at the

1011
00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:53,700
time it was kind of a chaotic moment

1012
00:40:57,050 --> 00:40:55,020
um

1013
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,060
nobody translated in the field what was

1014
00:41:01,849 --> 00:40:59,359
happening what this guy was saying like

1015
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:01,859
bullets are about to start flying that

1016
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:02,820
kind of thing

1017
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,359
and uh he was leaning up in the window

1018
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:08,160
looking down on us

1019
00:41:11,569 --> 00:41:10,140
and I was just trying to figure out what

1020
00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:11,579
the hell was going on like who was this

1021
00:41:17,089 --> 00:41:13,619
guy was this Eric Lopes was it not air

1022
00:41:19,849 --> 00:41:17,099
close you know Dave the cameraman was

1023
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,859
trying to zoom his camera into the guy's

1024
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:22,079
face but that he had the wrong lens but

1025
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:24,599
the guy kept looking at Dave like this

1026
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:26,460
like don't don't you think don't don't

1027
00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:30,060
fill me yeah doing this to Dave and then

1028
00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:31,260
he was telling everyone was about to get

1029
00:41:36,349 --> 00:41:33,900
shot which I found out later

1030
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:36,359
well I'm looking at this guy's face

1031
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:39,780
That You Don't See in the scene

1032
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:42,420
and I look at this face

1033
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,760
and I said to myself I've never seen a

1034
00:41:49,069 --> 00:41:47,040
face like this before

1035
00:41:50,089 --> 00:41:49,079
not the bone structure not the skin

1036
00:41:52,730 --> 00:41:50,099
color

1037
00:41:54,109 --> 00:41:52,740
but the tension

1038
00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:54,119
the

1039
00:42:00,290 --> 00:41:56,280
I've yet to find a word to describe it

1040
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:00,300
if you could imagine someone harboring

1041
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:03,960
something so extraordinary something so

1042
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:06,300
such a deep deep Secret

1043
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:09,119
and and and the toll that that had on

1044
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,079
him

1045
00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:12,720
that's what it looked like when I saw

1046
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,460
his eyes and I looked at his face it was

1047
00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:16,079
like

1048
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:22,200
this burden on his shoulders something

1049
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:25,020
some deep dark secret that he could see

1050
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,960
in his face that's all I can say man you

1051
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,760
could see it in this guy's face

1052
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,920
he said to us as we walked up and again

1053
00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:33,599
this was I didn't realize this at the

1054
00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:36,180
time if you're here to talk about the ET

1055
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:38,040
you know he's never going to say

1056
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:39,720
anything he referred to himself in the

1057
00:42:44,569 --> 00:42:42,720
third person until I came then he kept

1058
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,579
talking about this gun bullets are going

1059
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,079
to start flying we're gonna kick you out

1060
00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:48,480
of here with bullets and then I kept

1061
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,300
saying like you know will Eric Lopes

1062
00:42:54,410 --> 00:42:52,800
ever give a statement will he ever talk

1063
00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:54,420
to anybody will ever give a statement

1064
00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:56,460
kind of thing and then he says I am Eric

1065
00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:58,380
Lopes

1066
00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:00,060
and you guys are about to get in some

1067
00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:01,800
serious trouble right now

1068
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:04,260
yeah and and I remember I looked over at

1069
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:05,760
home alone and homelo had his

1070
00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:07,619
eight-year-old son standing next to him

1071
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:10,260
eight nine ten years old and homelo

1072
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,300
looked at me and he went turn me Nado

1073
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,119
like like that and the look

1074
00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:17,040
even though I don't speak Portuguese and

1075
00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:19,619
he doesn't speak English that look that

1076
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:21,960
looked to me let's get the F out of here

1077
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:24,420
and we get the F out of here right now

1078
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,480
yeah I was like okay okay let's go you

1079
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:29,520
know and off we went

1080
00:43:35,089 --> 00:43:32,760
crazy yeah again just harboring these

1081
00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:35,099
things for so long this is what the

1082
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:37,079
military and government in Brazil did to

1083
00:43:42,290 --> 00:43:39,540
these poor people and you know it's

1084
00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:42,300
shades of Roswell again threatening

1085
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,060
people and um and telling them we know

1086
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:47,280
everything about your family we we could

1087
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:49,740
bury you out you know in the Brazilian

1088
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:51,900
Wilderness and no one will ever find you

1089
00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:53,819
that sort of thing it's it's crazy man

1090
00:44:00,050 --> 00:43:57,300
you even have archival footage of I

1091
00:44:02,750 --> 00:44:00,060
believe it was one of the higher-ups in

1092
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:02,760
the Brazilian either Air Force or Army

1093
00:44:08,050 --> 00:44:05,760
saying like we will not comment further

1094
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,060
on this we're not hiding anything

1095
00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:11,040
archival footage that we found it was

1096
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,619
crazy yeah just like talking about this

1097
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,960
event I I didn't know that existed does

1098
00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:18,480
that not speak volumes just looking at

1099
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,500
that guy

1100
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,839
oh he was lying through his teeth I mean

1101
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:24,240
you can tell no question man yeah

1102
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:28,079
question yeah yeah I know I know gotta

1103
00:44:31,370 --> 00:44:29,400
see you got to see it in the film guys

1104
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:31,380
you got to see it here yes I get I get

1105
00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:33,420
the good I got the Goosebumps just like

1106
00:44:43,849 --> 00:44:41,750
yeah it's crazy it's crazy crazy crazy

1107
00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:43,859
and uh it was the only time in

1108
00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:45,720
production where I was

1109
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,420
I mean I got a little spooked in in um

1110
00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:50,400
in Texas

1111
00:44:55,010 --> 00:44:53,099
when I was meeting with Ricky Sorrels

1112
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,020
during the um

1113
00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:57,839
that that case I think was 2008 at

1114
00:45:02,329 --> 00:45:00,359
Stephenville Texas

1115
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:02,339
Ricky Sorrels was being harassed by the

1116
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:04,200
military stopped talking about what you

1117
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:05,880
saw that kind of thing

1118
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:07,020
but we were trying to get an interview

1119
00:45:11,089 --> 00:45:08,880
with Ricky snowballs at the time and we

1120
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,099
saw like unmarked like Vehicles pull

1121
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:13,380
into his drive you know I got a little

1122
00:45:17,329 --> 00:45:15,660
spooked then Ricky was spooked that was

1123
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:17,339
it only time

1124
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:19,740
this time

1125
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:23,040
I was uh we all were we were all spooked

1126
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:25,140
we were all spooked

1127
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:28,440
that was pretty scary and then

1128
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,180
we were about to meet with other

1129
00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:32,400
additional Witnesses or witnesses that

1130
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,640
we had just met with and that's when the

1131
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:37,920
military base Ezra which is the base of

1132
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:40,380
operations for this whole thing

1133
00:45:44,690 --> 00:45:41,520
um

1134
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:44,700
calls according to the people that we're

1135
00:45:48,609 --> 00:45:46,140
about to meet with and they said steer

1136
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:48,619
clear of us disappear don't come near us

1137
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,200
and it was like creepy phone calls like

1138
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,960
um hey how you doing so and so won't say

1139
00:45:59,089 --> 00:45:57,119
their name how you doing are you still

1140
00:46:02,329 --> 00:45:59,099
living at uh this address

1141
00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:02,339
has the family and

1142
00:46:07,790 --> 00:46:04,859
and uh yeah we understand there's a

1143
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:07,800
uh American uh documentary film crew

1144
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,140
have you reached out to you

1145
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:12,000
did you did you meet with them or talk

1146
00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:14,940
with them at all huh okay

1147
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,740
all right well anyway you we wish you

1148
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:19,200
well and yeah that kind of thing yeah

1149
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:24,240
I'm sure wow that's crazy man not like

1150
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,859
don't meet with them or not like we're

1151
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:27,839
gonna harm you no none of that just yeah

1152
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:30,180
lead between them

1153
00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:32,940
yeah absolutely man well hey I've got

1154
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:34,140
some listener questions if you're

1155
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:36,420
willing to stick around absolutely okay

1156
00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:37,740
I just got all right I won't keep your

1157
00:46:41,809 --> 00:46:39,540
kids I'm on a podcast give me one sec

1158
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,819
yeah of course of course I'm gonna get

1159
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,440
my listener questions here together guys

1160
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,599
if you do have a question for James

1161
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,760
please feel free to put it in the uh the

1162
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,920
chat here guys Super Chat super stickers

1163
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,359
are open if you want to help out the

1164
00:46:54,589 --> 00:46:53,280
show I've got a couple of those start

1165
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,599
here

1166
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:56,579
um we've got a couple from our patreon

1167
00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:59,760
members and from Twitter so again James

1168
00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:01,800
answered some of these in a Reddit AMA

1169
00:47:05,870 --> 00:47:03,720
earlier today guys so I would highly

1170
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:05,880
suggest going over there and checking

1171
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:08,579
that out if you haven't yet but um yeah

1172
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:10,380
James uh our first listener question

1173
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:12,780
comes from Diego one of our patreon

1174
00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:15,000
subscribers and he wants to know in your

1175
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:16,859
opinion James with everything going on

1176
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,500
in the disclosure process how soon do

1177
00:47:23,809 --> 00:47:22,079
you think acceptance of ETI will reach

1178
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:23,819
the majority of the general population

1179
00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:26,700
you think we're close

1180
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:27,720
foreign

1181
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:30,720
you know that's a very good question

1182
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,960
I just know that I got a call from one

1183
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:35,839
of my you know kind of Insider people

1184
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:38,880
who said you have no idea your timing on

1185
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,260
this film you have no I said what do you

1186
00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:42,240
mean just sit tight you have no idea

1187
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:44,700
your timing on this film and I'm

1188
00:47:49,490 --> 00:47:46,380
thinking to myself well the film is

1189
00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:49,500
about an alleged UFO crash and bodies

1190
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:50,819
recovered

1191
00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:52,980
so is there a statement coming out

1192
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:55,880
that's going to confirm potentially

1193
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:58,800
these types of cases

1194
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:01,800
they didn't tell me but uh but I'm

1195
00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:04,200
eagerly you know anticipating but I'm

1196
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:05,460
also

1197
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,020
acutely aware that we are pushing the

1198
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,960
envelope here and we're implying that

1199
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:14,880
the United States was involved I'm not

1200
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:17,460
implying the military people and the

1201
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:20,040
control the flight Control Officers in

1202
00:48:24,589 --> 00:48:22,200
Brazil they're the ones that told us the

1203
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,599
Americans were involved I didn't know I

1204
00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:26,640
had no idea in fact I didn't even touch

1205
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:29,400
on that yeah well yeah I mean I just I

1206
00:48:33,530 --> 00:48:32,220
asked well what happened after this you

1207
00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:33,540
dropped it off here then what happened

1208
00:48:38,089 --> 00:48:35,400
that's the sex military base and

1209
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:38,099
Campinas you went from you went from the

1210
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:40,740
town of Virginia and you went to as a

1211
00:48:45,290 --> 00:48:43,140
military base and then as a building as

1212
00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:45,300
a military base the next day to espec's

1213
00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:47,700
military base in Campinas

1214
00:48:50,750 --> 00:48:49,260
then what happened

1215
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:50,760
it's like oh we did a study and the

1216
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,420
Americans flew in and took it all really

1217
00:48:59,329 --> 00:48:56,160
and then we talked to

1218
00:49:00,770 --> 00:48:59,339
the like control people that said

1219
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:00,780
they had confirmation that the United

1220
00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:03,660
States Air Force plane flew in on the

1221
00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:05,880
22nd of January which is the exact time

1222
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:08,339
they dropped it off at Campinas and in a

1223
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:09,359
United States Air Force without

1224
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:11,160
authorization from the Brazilian

1225
00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:13,800
government lands and Campinas

1226
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:16,260
ah pretty compelling stuff to me

1227
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:17,700
hmm

1228
00:49:22,370 --> 00:49:19,079
do you think we're going to find out

1229
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:22,380
more about America's environment in the

1230
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,780
last couple of days two people have come

1231
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:26,640
out of the Woodworks confirming this

1232
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,500
case and photographic evidence of this

1233
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,960
case and more is coming out I guarantee

1234
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,640
you it's coming

1235
00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:35,040
I I know it is because people are like

1236
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,780
the hell with it I've been sitting on

1237
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,880
this for 26 years this is potentially

1238
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:41,520
the biggest story since Roswell and I

1239
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:43,560
don't care anymore

1240
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:46,800
okay well let's let's go there then you

1241
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:48,599
mentioned photographic evidence

1242
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:51,660
people are saying there's video of this

1243
00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:53,640
uh photographs

1244
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:56,520
have you seen any of this will we ever

1245
00:50:01,309 --> 00:49:58,500
see it what do you think James I think

1246
00:50:04,609 --> 00:50:01,319
the likelihood of us seeing it is high

1247
00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:04,619
I have spoken directly with three people

1248
00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:08,040
that I have zero doubt they're telling

1249
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:09,060
me the truth

1250
00:50:18,349 --> 00:50:14,930
I'll say something hypothetically here

1251
00:50:20,690 --> 00:50:18,359
uh in Vivid detail that just because you

1252
00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:20,700
locate something it doesn't necessarily

1253
00:50:26,329 --> 00:50:22,740
mean you can get your hands on it even

1254
00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:26,339
with a large dollar you know reward

1255
00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:28,619
and the compensation is is strictly

1256
00:50:31,309 --> 00:50:30,300
because there's higher level of risk

1257
00:50:32,930 --> 00:50:31,319
involved

1258
00:50:35,329 --> 00:50:32,940
there's people out there that have just

1259
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:35,339
eyewitness testimonies that they're

1260
00:50:38,329 --> 00:50:36,359
terrified

1261
00:50:40,609 --> 00:50:38,339
you can imagine eyewitness testimony

1262
00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:40,619
coupled with hard evidence like that how

1263
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:43,380
terrified you'd be so believe me we're

1264
00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:45,540
working on it believe me we are working

1265
00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:48,359
on it and believe me there's no one on

1266
00:50:52,190 --> 00:50:50,099
the planet that wants this more than I

1267
00:50:54,770 --> 00:50:52,200
do

1268
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:54,780
I love that and hey we've got the UAP

1269
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,720
report coming out next week of all

1270
00:51:02,270 --> 00:51:00,240
things as well so who knows where that's

1271
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:02,280
going to lead and who else that might

1272
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:04,920
Empower or Inspire to come forward with

1273
00:51:07,730 --> 00:51:06,420
their involvement in this case there are

1274
00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:07,740
many others so

1275
00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:09,960
hey that's all I need you're giving us

1276
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:13,380
hope man um yeah well okay so Nathan

1277
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:15,059
Nathan on Twitter asks this is a good

1278
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,220
one going back to kind of Colores in a

1279
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:19,920
lot of the earlier cases in Brazil any

1280
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,140
idea why Brazilian UFOs seem to be

1281
00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:25,200
particularly violent why are these UFOs

1282
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:27,960
in Brazil crashing why are they trying

1283
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:30,180
to shoot down planes what do you think

1284
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,000
what makes Brazil like such a violent

1285
00:51:37,130 --> 00:51:35,040
place for UFO encounters any any

1286
00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:37,140
thoughts or theories on that look

1287
00:51:41,569 --> 00:51:39,660
caloris A couple of cases and a couple

1288
00:51:45,530 --> 00:51:41,579
of incidents in Glarus with these beams

1289
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,540
of light uh tagging tagging people

1290
00:51:49,490 --> 00:51:47,760
um that's for me that's the only time

1291
00:51:51,470 --> 00:51:49,500
I've heard of those cases I have not

1292
00:51:54,829 --> 00:51:51,480
heard of the UFO shooting down any

1293
00:51:57,410 --> 00:51:54,839
planes in Brazil the the the 1986

1294
00:52:00,170 --> 00:51:57,420
encounters over Sao Paulo I guess the

1295
00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:00,180
night of UFOs over Brazil it's commonly

1296
00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:03,540
referred to it's 1986. uh it was not a

1297
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:05,339
hostile encounter the airplanes that

1298
00:52:08,890 --> 00:52:06,960
were scrambled to intercept did not get

1299
00:52:12,049 --> 00:52:08,900
shot down there was no hostility

1300
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:12,059
exhibited the the pilots just said we

1301
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:14,460
were not unable to get you know these

1302
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,240
things

1303
00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:17,760
there's testimony coming out now that

1304
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:19,559
we're the ones that shot at the UFO that

1305
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,520
crashed

1306
00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:23,040
that gash it had in the side

1307
00:52:28,849 --> 00:52:25,500
I'm not stating this because I don't

1308
00:52:31,329 --> 00:52:28,859
know but some Brazilian UFO researchers

1309
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:31,339
who've been digging into this case since

1310
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:34,140
1996 are claiming that the Americans

1311
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,119
shot at it

1312
00:52:40,849 --> 00:52:38,640
oh interesting that's why we were

1313
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:40,859
information on that but these are people

1314
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:43,440
that would have access to high level

1315
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,480
Brazilian

1316
00:52:49,849 --> 00:52:48,000
um military I I can confirm that that

1317
00:52:51,770 --> 00:52:49,859
are stating that it was it was known

1318
00:52:53,450 --> 00:52:51,780
that the Americans the one that shot at

1319
00:52:55,549 --> 00:52:53,460
it because it had a huge according to

1320
00:52:57,890 --> 00:52:55,559
the eyewitnesses it had a huge gash in

1321
00:52:59,329 --> 00:52:57,900
the back of it it was in trouble and it

1322
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,339
had white weird

1323
00:53:05,210 --> 00:53:01,920
Vapor coming out the back of it not like

1324
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:05,220
a smoke from a fire White

1325
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:08,280
interesting yeah again that that right

1326
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,960
there could explain why America was

1327
00:53:14,270 --> 00:53:12,240
involved it reminds me of the uh the

1328
00:53:16,730 --> 00:53:14,280
Tehran UFO incident you're like why did

1329
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,740
the U.S get so heavily involved and it's

1330
00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:19,200
because we were leasing our planes to

1331
00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:21,420
Tehran at the time and we wanted to know

1332
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,220
what was out maneuvering our own planes

1333
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:25,680
up there so it would make sense if

1334
00:53:29,150 --> 00:53:27,180
America was the one to shoot this thing

1335
00:53:31,069 --> 00:53:29,160
down uh and why they would become

1336
00:53:34,569 --> 00:53:31,079
involved and why they had carp launch

1337
00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:34,579
the minute they got on Brazilian uh

1338
00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:36,780
some Americans that were involved to

1339
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:41,450
hey look you know what this is the first

1340
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,380
step this documentary is the first step

1341
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,839
of highlighting this case in the United

1342
00:53:49,849 --> 00:53:48,240
States and around the world like it's

1343
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:49,859
never been highlighted I mean there have

1344
00:53:55,549 --> 00:53:52,559
been other very little reporting on this

1345
00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:55,559
case in in America most like

1346
00:54:01,450 --> 00:53:58,680
seasoned researchers know very little

1347
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:01,460
about this case myself included you know

1348
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:04,319
yeah same I you know I knew the basics

1349
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:06,900
like every other UFO researcher creature

1350
00:54:10,849 --> 00:54:09,300
red eyes something crashed that's it

1351
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:10,859
there's a UFO in the middle of the Town

1352
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:13,380
end of story and then here you come with

1353
00:54:19,549 --> 00:54:17,040
an hour and 40 minutes of like Witnesses

1354
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:19,559
and Military and I'm just like holy

1355
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:21,660
man like this thing goes way deeper than

1356
00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:25,040
I ever thought it's crazy ugh I know um

1357
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:29,099
wow uh well okay last listener question

1358
00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:31,980
from the people I have here uh that

1359
00:54:35,890 --> 00:54:34,859
submitted beforehand James um let's see

1360
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:35,900
here

1361
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,119
why does James think UFOs travel so far

1362
00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:42,240
to basically crash on Earth Tony asks

1363
00:54:46,609 --> 00:54:44,280
this it feels like they crash here more

1364
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:46,619
frequently than airplanes yeah why do

1365
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:47,760
you think all these things are crashing

1366
00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:49,980
if they're so highly advanced again we

1367
00:54:54,190 --> 00:54:52,440
did touch on maybe it was shot down but

1368
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,200
in general

1369
00:55:00,589 --> 00:54:57,119
I personally we have not researched that

1370
00:55:02,210 --> 00:55:00,599
many UFO crashes and I have no idea how

1371
00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:02,220
many crashes there have been or haven't

1372
00:55:07,069 --> 00:55:04,800
been I have no idea where these things

1373
00:55:09,730 --> 00:55:07,079
come from I have no idea if they're

1374
00:55:12,109 --> 00:55:09,740
interplanetary I have no idea if they're

1375
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:12,119
inter-dimensional I have no idea if

1376
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,960
they're Time Travelers I have no idea

1377
00:55:20,329 --> 00:55:17,760
what they are or where they come from

1378
00:55:22,609 --> 00:55:20,339
and I have no idea why they crash or why

1379
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:22,619
they have crashed and I have no idea how

1380
00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:24,420
many cases how many credible cases there

1381
00:55:29,390 --> 00:55:27,420
are because I've personally I've done

1382
00:55:31,790 --> 00:55:29,400
some research into Roswell and I've done

1383
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:31,800
extensive research quite pretty

1384
00:55:35,930 --> 00:55:34,079
extensive research into Virginia and

1385
00:55:37,370 --> 00:55:35,940
that's it I mean I've heard of other

1386
00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:37,380
cases but I don't know anything about

1387
00:55:41,089 --> 00:55:39,540
them nothing certainly nothing I can

1388
00:55:42,650 --> 00:55:41,099
comment on intelligent you know

1389
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:42,660
intelligently

1390
00:55:46,730 --> 00:55:45,119
that's fair that's fair man this is

1391
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,740
pretty cool I wish I could give you a

1392
00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:49,200
better answer man I just don't know no

1393
00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:52,440
no that we'd rather get your honest uh

1394
00:55:57,049 --> 00:55:54,660
honest answer than you know I know

1395
00:55:59,089 --> 00:55:57,059
everything about every UFO crash that's

1396
00:56:01,010 --> 00:55:59,099
the last thing we need in this field

1397
00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:01,020
um let's be completely honestly this is

1398
00:56:07,069 --> 00:56:03,540
really cool in fact I know nothing I

1399
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,079
know less today than I did 30 years ago

1400
00:56:11,930 --> 00:56:10,319
yeah excuse me safest answer you could

1401
00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:11,940
give for sure

1402
00:56:15,650 --> 00:56:13,740
um where did I see this comment this is

1403
00:56:17,569 --> 00:56:15,660
this is pretty cool hold on oh here we

1404
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:17,579
go literally just watched the movie last

1405
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:19,740
night with my Dad we're both James's by

1406
00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:21,540
the way we enjoyed it I love hearing

1407
00:56:26,089 --> 00:56:23,400
that like families are watching this

1408
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:26,099
film together I I dream of the day like

1409
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,140
I finally have a kid and I can sit him

1410
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:30,960
down and put him through your entire

1411
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:33,540
um portfolio of films and be like this

1412
00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:36,180
this is where we were at in the you know

1413
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:39,420
in 2022 and then see what a Brave New

1414
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,260
World it is then but yeah pretty cool oh

1415
00:56:48,349 --> 00:56:46,079
yeah thank you I I love hearing

1416
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,359
accounts you know I have

1417
00:56:53,089 --> 00:56:50,160
said this before and I'll continue

1418
00:56:56,089 --> 00:56:53,099
saying this I really hope

1419
00:56:58,730 --> 00:56:56,099
people realize that I'm not out there

1420
00:57:00,650 --> 00:56:58,740
trying to get people to join my cult

1421
00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:00,660
you know like you must believe I I

1422
00:57:05,809 --> 00:57:03,720
really hope people know that about me

1423
00:57:07,849 --> 00:57:05,819
I'm fascinated

1424
00:57:10,910 --> 00:57:07,859
I'm curious

1425
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:10,920
I like to ask lots of questions I'd like

1426
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:14,220
to get more answers and I share

1427
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:16,800
my investigations publicly through my

1428
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,680
documentaries and that's it you know

1429
00:57:24,049 --> 00:57:21,839
I feel like people are entitled to this

1430
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:24,059
information I feel like people like

1431
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,700
myself included have not been like the

1432
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:28,079
governments have not been transparent

1433
00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:31,200
and quite quite quite the opposite and I

1434
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,500
feel like if true it's um

1435
00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:37,040
one of the most significant

1436
00:57:42,770 --> 00:57:40,500
events uh of the 20th century 21st

1437
00:57:46,609 --> 00:57:42,780
century too I mean 20 20th century you

1438
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,619
know huge I mean I don't know look if it

1439
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:48,720
was I tell people

1440
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:50,700
if

1441
00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:52,260
forget about whether it happened or

1442
00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:53,400
didn't happen

1443
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:55,319
if it did happen

1444
00:57:59,930 --> 00:57:57,180
how significant of an event would this

1445
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,940
be just if it did and everyone's like oh

1446
00:58:04,270 --> 00:58:01,680
my God this would be huge to be the

1447
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,280
story we've all been waiting for well

1448
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,200
I'm kind of convinced that it did

1449
00:58:12,290 --> 00:58:09,599
so you know hopefully more people will

1450
00:58:15,530 --> 00:58:12,300
come forward and and and and uh and

1451
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,540
validate and substantiate the these

1452
00:58:18,770 --> 00:58:17,040
these claims

1453
00:58:21,170 --> 00:58:18,780
absolutely and we're going to give your

1454
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:21,180
email address at the end here for anyone

1455
00:58:24,650 --> 00:58:22,920
if you happen to be listening or

1456
00:58:26,990 --> 00:58:24,660
watching and have any further

1457
00:58:29,329 --> 00:58:27,000
information on this case please reach

1458
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:29,339
out to James again you're one of these

1459
00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:31,500
filmmakers who once the film's out your

1460
00:58:34,370 --> 00:58:33,000
work isn't done you continue to

1461
00:58:37,130 --> 00:58:34,380
investigate

1462
00:58:38,930 --> 00:58:37,140
um and you continue to to update us I

1463
00:58:41,450 --> 00:58:38,940
know you have plans on releasing some

1464
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:41,460
exclusive content related to this case

1465
00:58:44,089 --> 00:58:42,720
as well

1466
00:58:45,170 --> 00:58:44,099
um at least that's what I've heard the

1467
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,180
rumors

1468
00:58:49,309 --> 00:58:47,040
um but the last listener question James

1469
00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:49,319
I want to ask you here is you've made

1470
00:58:54,289 --> 00:58:52,140
this claim on several um interviews and

1471
00:58:57,230 --> 00:58:54,299
whatnot and I'd be curious too can you

1472
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,240
expound upon walking Among Us you've

1473
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:59,520
said this in a couple interviews in the

1474
00:59:02,569 --> 00:59:00,359
past

1475
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,579
um that you think it's possible there

1476
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:05,520
could be et's walking Among Us is this

1477
00:59:08,569 --> 00:59:06,960
something you believe or is this

1478
00:59:10,849 --> 00:59:08,579
something you've heard from people

1479
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,859
you've interviewed I I knew that kind of

1480
00:59:16,190 --> 00:59:13,200
got away from me a little bit no I don't

1481
00:59:18,589 --> 00:59:16,200
believe it I don't not believe it but

1482
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:18,599
I'd have to see some evidence I'm just

1483
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:23,460
sharing uh my time with Robert Bigelow

1484
00:59:28,730 --> 00:59:26,760
and I had lunch with him back in I think

1485
00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:28,740
it was like 2009 it might have been 2010

1486
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,540
at the latest it was right after I

1487
00:59:36,289 --> 00:59:32,640
finished my film I know what I saw

1488
00:59:37,609 --> 00:59:36,299
and he invited me to have lunch with him

1489
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,619
excuse me I'm drinking this bubbly

1490
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:39,839
sparkling water and it's like oh yeah

1491
00:59:45,950 --> 00:59:41,880
anyway I love those

1492
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,960
yeah and uh he was the one that talked

1493
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:47,760
about the studies that have been done is

1494
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:50,220
what he was telling me I'm not saying I

1495
00:59:53,870 --> 00:59:51,599
believe it or I don't believe it it's

1496
00:59:55,370 --> 00:59:53,880
what he's telling me and I think big low

1497
00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:55,380
would be in a better position than I am

1498
01:00:00,349 --> 00:59:58,020
if they make these statements

1499
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,359
um he was saying that

1500
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:02,640
they've done some studies and that they

1501
01:00:06,530 --> 01:00:04,680
determined the level of impact that the

1502
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:06,540
story would have if they've had full

1503
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,160
disclosure

1504
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,839
and he said that you know the economy

1505
01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:11,280
would collapse and religions would

1506
01:00:15,230 --> 01:00:13,619
collapse and you have any idea you know

1507
01:00:17,809 --> 01:00:15,240
and I was like you know he goes and then

1508
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:17,819
he said there if they're walking Among

1509
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:18,720
Us

1510
01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:21,839
what exactly he meant by that I I don't

1511
01:00:26,270 --> 01:00:23,819
know what you know do I believe it no

1512
01:00:28,670 --> 01:00:26,280
have I seen evidence of it no do I think

1513
01:00:30,530 --> 01:00:28,680
it's impossible no

1514
01:00:32,329 --> 01:00:30,540
I believe that these things are piloted

1515
01:00:35,089 --> 01:00:32,339
they're under intelligent control is it

1516
01:00:37,130 --> 01:00:35,099
possible I guess it's possible

1517
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,140
but I certainly I don't believe it just

1518
01:00:41,329 --> 01:00:39,359
because he said it and I've shared that

1519
01:00:42,530 --> 01:00:41,339
story and people are like James thinks

1520
01:00:44,510 --> 01:00:42,540
they're walking Among Us no I don't

1521
01:00:47,089 --> 01:00:44,520
that's not what I think this is what I

1522
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,099
was told from Robert Bigelow

1523
01:00:51,049 --> 01:00:49,200
awesome thank you for clearing that up I

1524
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:51,059
think that put a lot of people's minds

1525
01:00:55,549 --> 01:00:53,460
at ease like oh he's losing it James is

1526
01:00:57,950 --> 01:00:55,559
losing it oh yeah no I don't believe

1527
01:00:59,450 --> 01:00:57,960
that but at the same time when someone

1528
01:01:01,370 --> 01:00:59,460
like Bigelow says something like that

1529
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,380
like people stand up and listen they're

1530
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,359
like what I can't I can't sit there and

1531
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:05,280
say definitively that's not the case I

1532
01:01:10,210 --> 01:01:07,980
certainly I thought I I have seen zero

1533
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,220
evidence to suggest that's the case

1534
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:12,480
however one thing I've learned in this

1535
01:01:17,870 --> 01:01:15,240
field is you can't eliminate every every

1536
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:17,880
time I say this is impossible I've been

1537
01:01:23,930 --> 01:01:21,119
proven wrong so I'm Gonna Leave It zero

1538
01:01:27,010 --> 01:01:23,940
zero zero zero zero zero one percent and

1539
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:27,020
say maybe

1540
01:01:33,470 --> 01:01:30,780
maybe but I don't believe it

1541
01:01:34,970 --> 01:01:33,480
fair enough fair enough I love it

1542
01:01:37,069 --> 01:01:34,980
um last thing I want to touch on before

1543
01:01:41,450 --> 01:01:37,079
we let you go here James

1544
01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:41,460
um we've got right here the movie had a

1545
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:42,900
big screen

1546
01:01:47,809 --> 01:01:45,359
uh what would you call it Premiere debut

1547
01:01:49,450 --> 01:01:47,819
you finally got to see your film on the

1548
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:49,460
big screen

1549
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,980
so exciting like the highlights Robert

1550
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,480
Salas showed up

1551
01:01:59,030 --> 01:01:56,640
he's like my hero

1552
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:59,040
you know and he showed up and it was you

1553
01:02:04,010 --> 01:02:00,000
know

1554
01:02:06,530 --> 01:02:04,020
um Donnie uh who's been a

1555
01:02:08,750 --> 01:02:06,540
Donnie Chang he's been like he's been an

1556
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:08,760
executive producer on the phenomenon

1557
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:12,960
he's been uh kind of behind the scenes

1558
01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:14,640
keeping things alive during the

1559
01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:15,900
phenomenon because that went through a

1560
01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:16,740
whole

1561
01:02:20,089 --> 01:02:18,839
oh my God I won't bore your audience

1562
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:20,099
with the details but there were times

1563
01:02:25,490 --> 01:02:22,799
when I was completely broke and people

1564
01:02:26,349 --> 01:02:25,500
were coming after me and people were we

1565
01:02:29,630 --> 01:02:26,359
were

1566
01:02:32,569 --> 01:02:29,640
parting ways and it was rough I remember

1567
01:02:34,370 --> 01:02:32,579
yeah very rough are you being like I

1568
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:34,380
don't think I don't think I could go on

1569
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,240
oh I don't I don't even like talking

1570
01:02:41,690 --> 01:02:38,400
about it anyway we got through it and

1571
01:02:43,370 --> 01:02:41,700
then uh Donnie is also a uh an executive

1572
01:02:45,950 --> 01:02:43,380
producer on this film one of the

1573
01:02:47,809 --> 01:02:45,960
executive producers and we found out

1574
01:02:49,309 --> 01:02:47,819
through 1091 that we were not going to

1575
01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:49,319
have

1576
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:51,660
there was not going to be a premiere and

1577
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,799
Don is like what do you mean he's not

1578
01:02:55,970 --> 01:02:54,000
going to be Premiere and this other guy

1579
01:02:56,990 --> 01:02:55,980
who's also an executive producer he was

1580
01:02:58,430 --> 01:02:57,000
like what are you talking about how

1581
01:03:00,650 --> 01:02:58,440
could we not have a Premiere we got

1582
01:03:02,809 --> 01:03:00,660
robbed from the phenomenon here we've

1583
01:03:04,010 --> 01:03:02,819
got this golden opportunity you know

1584
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:04,020
what do you mean we're not having a

1585
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:06,180
Premiere I said well there's no budget

1586
01:03:11,390 --> 01:03:07,920
blah blah blah and then this other guy

1587
01:03:12,770 --> 01:03:11,400
Percy who uh Percy T who um I don't know

1588
01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:12,780
if there's a photograph of him down here

1589
01:03:17,690 --> 01:03:14,040
or not

1590
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,700
um he he was he had organized some

1591
01:03:22,130 --> 01:03:19,440
screenings of the phenomenon in Memphis

1592
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,140
through Regal and all on these other

1593
01:03:26,089 --> 01:03:24,480
Cinema chain and and um but you know

1594
01:03:27,650 --> 01:03:26,099
coven was happening it was just very

1595
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:27,660
very difficult and he found out that

1596
01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:28,799
we're not having a Premiere and he was

1597
01:03:34,490 --> 01:03:32,760
all upset and so long story short Percy

1598
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:34,500
T gets

1599
01:03:39,950 --> 01:03:37,440
the theater he secures LA Live Theater

1600
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:39,960
it's a long story but we we secured it

1601
01:03:44,990 --> 01:03:43,440
then Donnie finds out oh well we got the

1602
01:03:46,730 --> 01:03:45,000
theater well we have to go all out we

1603
01:03:48,349 --> 01:03:46,740
got to have Pizzazz we got to have the

1604
01:03:51,650 --> 01:03:48,359
red carpet and we got to have you know

1605
01:03:54,049 --> 01:03:51,660
and uh and so you know I said Donnie I

1606
01:03:56,809 --> 01:03:54,059
don't have the bandwidth I I can't do it

1607
01:03:59,329 --> 01:03:56,819
I've got so much other things going on I

1608
01:04:01,250 --> 01:03:59,339
said you take the reins and you organize

1609
01:04:03,530 --> 01:04:01,260
it and so he made this fun

1610
01:04:05,930 --> 01:04:03,540
at Pizzazz he had

1611
01:04:07,370 --> 01:04:05,940
the red carpet he had the backdrop he

1612
01:04:08,750 --> 01:04:07,380
had the lights and the cameras and he

1613
01:04:10,849 --> 01:04:08,760
had some women dressed in these fun

1614
01:04:13,970 --> 01:04:10,859
suits and we had the after party and it

1615
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:13,980
was just fun it was just fun and it was

1616
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:15,720
a big celebration for it was the first

1617
01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:17,280
time in my life I ever got a Premiere

1618
01:04:23,329 --> 01:04:20,940
like that it was a huge screen in La uh

1619
01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:23,339
my God the sound system was phenomenal

1620
01:04:27,770 --> 01:04:24,900
just to see the whole thing on the big

1621
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:27,780
screen and very nicely attended and some

1622
01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:29,520
nice q a at the end of it then we went

1623
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:30,900
to an after party which is just a few

1624
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:32,700
blocks down the street and it was just

1625
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:35,760
tons of fun and it was just fun and a

1626
01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:36,720
celebration

1627
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:38,940
right which again like I think people

1628
01:04:44,270 --> 01:04:42,000
forget this is a very serious case and a

1629
01:04:46,370 --> 01:04:44,280
lot of UFOs is very serious but if you

1630
01:04:48,049 --> 01:04:46,380
can't have a good time like what the

1631
01:04:50,210 --> 01:04:48,059
hell's the point I honestly you're

1632
01:04:53,329 --> 01:04:50,220
talking about such weird like you

1633
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:53,339
gotta laugh at it I I could not agree

1634
01:04:57,950 --> 01:04:54,240
more

1635
01:05:00,049 --> 01:04:57,960
you know look if if you listen to the

1636
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:00,059
end credits of the movie there's this

1637
01:05:07,370 --> 01:05:04,079
very serious yes and I'm like I'm like

1638
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:07,380
uh hey uh do you think that smell would

1639
01:05:17,569 --> 01:05:14,930
I was like you know what if you can't

1640
01:05:21,230 --> 01:05:17,579
have a little fun and be light-hearted a

1641
01:05:23,150 --> 01:05:21,240
little bit of levity and and and fun

1642
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:23,160
what's the point man you know what's the

1643
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:25,680
point I love that I absolutely love it

1644
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:30,240
yeah um well James I mean dude you keep

1645
01:05:34,730 --> 01:05:31,920
you continue to knock it out of the park

1646
01:05:36,650 --> 01:05:34,740
I mean this film again a lot different

1647
01:05:38,690 --> 01:05:36,660
from the phenomenon took a very human

1648
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:38,700
approach which is something I personally

1649
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:41,160
appreciate as someone who exclusively

1650
01:05:45,710 --> 01:05:43,680
interviews Witnesses in the aftermath of

1651
01:05:46,970 --> 01:05:45,720
an event on their life uh that's what

1652
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:46,980
you covered some of these people didn't

1653
01:05:52,370 --> 01:05:49,920
talk for 27 years and then they unload

1654
01:05:54,650 --> 01:05:52,380
on you and it's just like I think it was

1655
01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:54,660
even um Carlos in the film like he was

1656
01:05:58,370 --> 01:05:57,000
like ah James thank you he's like you

1657
01:06:00,049 --> 01:05:58,380
have no idea the weight that's been

1658
01:06:02,329 --> 01:06:00,059
lifted off of me

1659
01:06:04,849 --> 01:06:02,339
um that's beautiful his brother lives in

1660
01:06:06,829 --> 01:06:04,859
uh New Jersey and his brother told me he

1661
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:06,839
speaks fluent English he's he moved here

1662
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:09,839
years ago and uh and he said you know I

1663
01:06:12,530 --> 01:06:11,280
didn't believe my brother none of us

1664
01:06:14,089 --> 01:06:12,540
really did we all kind of made fun of

1665
01:06:16,670 --> 01:06:14,099
him and I said well

1666
01:06:19,309 --> 01:06:16,680
your brother was was a witness to an

1667
01:06:21,410 --> 01:06:19,319
extraordinary event and uh he's been

1668
01:06:22,910 --> 01:06:21,420
shouldering that for all these time and

1669
01:06:24,410 --> 01:06:22,920
imagine just disappearing and just

1670
01:06:26,990 --> 01:06:24,420
wanting it to go away

1671
01:06:29,150 --> 01:06:27,000
yeah just in this you can't take the

1672
01:06:31,730 --> 01:06:29,160
laughter the ridicule the you know what

1673
01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:31,740
I mean I mean I understand where it

1674
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:34,440
comes from but just imagine having to

1675
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:36,000
like live with that

1676
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:38,460
yeah and and you and I have interviewed

1677
01:06:42,410 --> 01:06:40,799
hundreds of people who have held that in

1678
01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:42,420
for so long and then when they finally

1679
01:06:47,329 --> 01:06:44,460
get it off their chest and realize oh

1680
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:47,339
I'm not the only one like I mean for

1681
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:49,920
Carlos it's enough to see that other

1682
01:06:55,370 --> 01:06:53,039
people witness the craft and saw

1683
01:06:57,650 --> 01:06:55,380
creatures like that's enough for him to

1684
01:06:59,870 --> 01:06:57,660
be like okay like I didn't misidentify

1685
01:07:01,910 --> 01:06:59,880
this something truly anomalous happened

1686
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:01,920
and it's being covered up by our

1687
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:04,319
government in Brazil so again just the

1688
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:07,440
Vindication you uh gave to a lot of

1689
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:09,180
different people in the film I think is

1690
01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:11,039
uh closure enough for many of them at

1691
01:07:15,230 --> 01:07:13,500
least I hope so well I was told that

1692
01:07:17,930 --> 01:07:15,240
when they had the screening they had a

1693
01:07:19,250 --> 01:07:17,940
couple of premieres in Brazil that a lot

1694
01:07:20,569 --> 01:07:19,260
of the researchers and the Witnesses

1695
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:20,579
were bawling their eyes out at the end

1696
01:07:24,410 --> 01:07:21,839
of it

1697
01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:24,420
yeah just waiting so long for that

1698
01:07:29,809 --> 01:07:27,480
Vindication waiting so long for that

1699
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:29,819
um cooperation you know when something's

1700
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:32,760
cooperated by other witnesses that adds

1701
01:07:39,529 --> 01:07:36,480
leads a lens um credibility

1702
01:07:43,309 --> 01:07:39,539
uh Credence to their testimony you

1703
01:07:45,950 --> 01:07:43,319
imagine what what a relief that would be

1704
01:07:48,109 --> 01:07:45,960
can't imagine I mean well in this kind

1705
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:48,119
of confirms it for me thank you to

1706
01:07:52,430 --> 01:07:49,920
estimate for the ten dollar donation

1707
01:07:54,049 --> 01:07:52,440
this documentary reaffirmed my curiosity

1708
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:54,059
for the subject what a compelling case

1709
01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:56,160
thank you James I mean that wraps it up

1710
01:08:00,349 --> 01:07:58,140
right there man I mean you've reaffirmed

1711
01:08:03,230 --> 01:08:00,359
and you've solidified that this case

1712
01:08:05,150 --> 01:08:03,240
truly deserves a place in UFO history

1713
01:08:07,370 --> 01:08:05,160
um and it's immortalized now in film I

1714
01:08:09,470 --> 01:08:07,380
mean we do I think we have to thank you

1715
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:09,480
for that oh thank you well thank Marco

1716
01:08:12,589 --> 01:08:10,799
Leal and all the other Brazilian

1717
01:08:15,770 --> 01:08:12,599
researchers too because you know those

1718
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:15,780
guys did extraordinary research in the

1719
01:08:20,450 --> 01:08:18,239
field for much longer than me although I

1720
01:08:22,910 --> 01:08:20,460
worked on it for quite some time

1721
01:08:24,590 --> 01:08:22,920
um and I think that this is I I believe

1722
01:08:25,610 --> 01:08:24,600
in my heart this is just the beginning I

1723
01:08:27,709 --> 01:08:25,620
believe there's going to be you're going

1724
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:27,719
to see a lot more

1725
01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:28,500
um

1726
01:08:33,410 --> 01:08:30,839
uh involvement witness involvement

1727
01:08:36,530 --> 01:08:33,420
coming forward I'm anticipating that in

1728
01:08:39,050 --> 01:08:36,540
the coming weeks months years

1729
01:08:41,630 --> 01:08:39,060
absolutely I want to see that video give

1730
01:08:43,490 --> 01:08:41,640
me that video man I know believe me like

1731
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:43,500
I said just if you guys don't think

1732
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:44,880
there's anyone on the planet that wants

1733
01:08:49,729 --> 01:08:47,279
it more than me you better think again

1734
01:08:53,450 --> 01:08:49,739
right and I know there is some some

1735
01:08:56,510 --> 01:08:53,460
money uh involved if anyone has any

1736
01:08:59,809 --> 01:08:56,520
further leads it's just a James it's

1737
01:09:03,110 --> 01:08:59,819
just for the video from of the of the

1738
01:09:06,530 --> 01:09:03,120
Virginia uh E.T guy not for other video

1739
01:09:09,169 --> 01:09:06,540
this is this is for just the the

1740
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:09,179
Virginia videotape

1741
01:09:12,590 --> 01:09:10,799
um photographic evidence

1742
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:12,600
there you go guys don't be said to James

1743
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:15,359
videos of the UFO in the backyard West

1744
01:09:20,749 --> 01:09:18,319
Virginia last thing really helpful

1745
01:09:22,849 --> 01:09:20,759
really helpful if you guys could take a

1746
01:09:28,490 --> 01:09:22,859
moment and rate the film

1747
01:09:31,550 --> 01:09:28,500
on Vimeo on iTunes Amazon the algorithms

1748
01:09:33,289 --> 01:09:31,560
it's tremendously helpful for us if you

1749
01:09:35,689 --> 01:09:33,299
liked it even if you don't like it but

1750
01:09:36,849 --> 01:09:35,699
if you like it particularly please rate

1751
01:09:49,789 --> 01:09:36,859
it

1752
01:09:51,289 --> 01:09:49,799
man I know you got to get going you've

1753
01:09:53,570 --> 01:09:51,299
got other interviews you've got a full

1754
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,580
day ahead of you so I will let you go

1755
01:09:58,370 --> 01:09:55,199
I'm going to debrief with the audience

1756
01:10:00,530 --> 01:09:58,380
here for just a little bit but um last

1757
01:10:03,050 --> 01:10:00,540
question we've got your Twitter handle

1758
01:10:04,490 --> 01:10:03,060
below I just showed where the movie is

1759
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,500
available but

1760
01:10:08,689 --> 01:10:06,719
um not question but any last words you

1761
01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:08,699
want to give the audience before uh we

1762
01:10:14,209 --> 01:10:10,679
let you go here yeah just know that I'm

1763
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:14,219
I'm I'm constantly updating uh everybody

1764
01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:18,000
on Twitter as often as I can there's uh

1765
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,820
more things to come I'm told in in

1766
01:10:25,490 --> 01:10:23,280
within the next 48 hours so sit tight

1767
01:10:28,250 --> 01:10:25,500
and I'll post it on Twitter

1768
01:10:29,810 --> 01:10:28,260
amazing next 48 hours guys it's going to

1769
01:10:32,689 --> 01:10:29,820
be this problem time fingers crossed

1770
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:32,699
it's highly probable yes I love it

1771
01:10:37,070 --> 01:10:35,040
awesome my man I will let you go thank

1772
01:10:38,090 --> 01:10:37,080
you so much for your time tonight thank

1773
01:10:43,130 --> 01:10:38,100
you so much

1774
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,430
wow guys that went quick excuse me my

1775
01:10:51,229 --> 01:10:48,960
voice is giving out uh for any of you

1776
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:51,239
who didn't see the beginning I am

1777
01:10:56,270 --> 01:10:54,480
recovering from the you know what so uh

1778
01:10:57,890 --> 01:10:56,280
thank you to James for being so patient

1779
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:57,900
and gracious with his time and

1780
01:11:02,689 --> 01:11:00,000
rescheduling with me while I tried to

1781
01:11:04,729 --> 01:11:02,699
battle this uh this illness uh thank you

1782
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:04,739
to all of you for tuning in tonight we

1783
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:06,960
had over 200 of you watching live which

1784
01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:09,360
was incredible if I didn't get to your

1785
01:11:13,550 --> 01:11:11,580
your questions I do apologize we can

1786
01:11:15,530 --> 01:11:13,560
only fit so much in that amount of time

1787
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:15,540
but if I didn't get your questions I

1788
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:17,820
will send them along to James and

1789
01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:19,920
hopefully get some answers for you as

1790
01:11:24,110 --> 01:11:21,719
well and if not reach out to him on

1791
01:11:26,990 --> 01:11:24,120
Twitter he's very active and uh

1792
01:11:29,330 --> 01:11:27,000
responsive over there as well

1793
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:29,340
um but other than that check out moment

1794
01:11:34,370 --> 01:11:31,920
of contact wherever you stream it's on

1795
01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:34,380
Apple it's on Amazon it's on Vimeo it's

1796
01:11:38,510 --> 01:11:36,420
on all of them guys highly highly

1797
01:11:40,189 --> 01:11:38,520
recommend the film also go check out the

1798
01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:40,199
phenomenon if you haven't seen that one

1799
01:11:43,729 --> 01:11:41,580
either

1800
01:11:46,370 --> 01:11:43,739
um yeah James is doing incredible work

1801
01:11:48,290 --> 01:11:46,380
in this field and I can't wait to see

1802
01:11:49,729 --> 01:11:48,300
what comes next and like he said we

1803
01:11:52,490 --> 01:11:49,739
might be getting some updates on the

1804
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:52,500
vargenia case in the next 48 hours so

1805
01:11:58,669 --> 01:11:55,679
stay tuned for that as well other than

1806
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:58,679
that uh the podcast is available every

1807
01:12:03,709 --> 01:12:01,199
Monday this will be a audio podcast

1808
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,719
version this upcoming Monday but if you

1809
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:05,760
happen to catch it live today thank you

1810
01:12:08,689 --> 01:12:07,080
thank you for being here thank you for

1811
01:12:11,689 --> 01:12:08,699
your questions your super chats your

1812
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:11,699
super stickers it's been very helpful

1813
01:12:17,090 --> 01:12:14,640
um yeah and that's all I've got guys uh

1814
01:12:19,550 --> 01:12:17,100
as you all know I have recently moved

1815
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:19,560
overseas from the United States so the

1816
01:12:23,570 --> 01:12:21,120
whole time difference things have been a

1817
01:12:25,550 --> 01:12:23,580
little weird and wonky uh so I

1818
01:12:28,030 --> 01:12:25,560
appreciate your patience in getting new

1819
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:28,040
episodes out and uh if I haven't

1820
01:12:33,470 --> 01:12:30,540
answered any of your emails or your

1821
01:12:36,169 --> 01:12:33,480
tweets or your messages uh I'm just

1822
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:36,179
trying to build my new life here in the

1823
01:12:41,930 --> 01:12:39,360
UK so I promise I will get back to you

1824
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:41,940
soon and um thank you thank you for

1825
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:43,920
sticking in there with me uh thank you

1826
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:46,320
to all my friends over at UAP media UK

1827
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:48,840
oh I should mention that as well uh big

1828
01:12:53,930 --> 01:12:50,880
announcement I have officially joined

1829
01:12:56,209 --> 01:12:53,940
UAP media UK an amazing group here in

1830
01:12:59,630 --> 01:12:56,219
the United Kingdom that is uh advocating

1831
01:13:01,550 --> 01:12:59,640
for more uh public transparency from the

1832
01:13:04,370 --> 01:13:01,560
United Kingdom and uh the government

1833
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:04,380
here and also to get the topic taken

1834
01:13:09,290 --> 01:13:07,199
more seriously in UK media whether it's

1835
01:13:11,930 --> 01:13:09,300
the BBC or a lot of the other uh

1836
01:13:14,110 --> 01:13:11,940
mainstream Outlets here uh I very much

1837
01:13:16,970 --> 01:13:14,120
look forward to being kind of their U.S

1838
01:13:19,790 --> 01:13:16,980
ambassador correspondent and also

1839
01:13:21,950 --> 01:13:19,800
digging into British UFO cases like

1840
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:21,960
never before we're so used to hearing

1841
01:13:25,790 --> 01:13:24,120
about cases in the United States but if

1842
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:25,800
tonight's episode has shown you anything

1843
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,320
these things are not just happening in

1844
01:13:32,570 --> 01:13:30,480
America so yeah really looking forward

1845
01:13:35,649 --> 01:13:32,580
to that as well so thank you to everyone

1846
01:13:38,810 --> 01:13:35,659
over at UAP media UK Graham Dave

1847
01:13:41,450 --> 01:13:38,820
danzettersham Andy mcgrillin uh Dr David

1848
01:13:43,610 --> 01:13:41,460
Clark as well for having me I'm honored

1849
01:13:46,370 --> 01:13:43,620
and I can't wait to continue work with

1850
01:13:48,770 --> 01:13:46,380
them other than that guys I'm going to

1851
01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:48,780
let you go for tonight thank you for

1852
01:13:54,590 --> 01:13:51,540
tuning in and uh yeah we'll see you next

1853
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:54,600
week on somewhere in the skies and uh

1854
01:13:57,649 --> 01:13:55,679
that's it I'm going to leave you with

1855
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,659
our slogan as always keep your feet on

1856
01:14:02,209 --> 01:13:59,760
the ground but never stop searching

1857
01:14:03,250 --> 01:14:02,219
somewhere in this guys have a great

1858
01:14:12,430 --> 01:14:03,260
night take care

1859
01:14:17,490 --> 01:14:15,830
this is somewhere in the skies with Ryan

1860
01:14:23,570 --> 01:14:17,500
spread

1861
01:14:26,300 --> 01:14:23,580
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